Tiff and Phoebe “Pojo” Joseph, creator of Models That Eat and 2020 Dazed 100er, give you a behind the scenes look into the modeling industry — all the good, the bad and the toxic. Speaking from opposite sides of the spectrum (Pojo as a veteran model and Tiff as a fresh face), they discuss the prevalence of mental illness in the industry, the bravery it takes to say no in bad situations and the strength needed to dismantle preconceived notions. They also delve into the importance of self-care, the stigma that comes with age-gap relationships, their aversions to Twitter, the body hair debate and the power of creating your own identity independent of your past, your work and your relationships.