Up To Some Good Podcast by Claudia Lee

S2E7: Why you should try cacao free chocolate, with Ahrum Park and Dr. Johnny Drain, Co-founders of WNWN Food Labs


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In this episode, I speak to Ahrum Park and Johnny Drain, co-founders of WNWN Food Labs. The duo launched WNWN in 2020, after connecting over their common interests in fermentation and passion for igniting change in the global food system. WNWN Food Labs is a food tech company committing to making some of the world’s favourite foods more sustainable and future-proof. WNWN’s first product is their cacao free chocolate, a.k.a Alt-Choc. We talk all about how alt-choc tastes, experimenting with fermented foods and how they plan to put alt-choc on supermarket shelves across the UK.

This is a summary of our conversation:

  • Why fermentation has endless potential
  • How is alt-choc made?
  • From bad potatoes to cacao-free chocolate
  • The dark side of the cocoa supply chain
  • Scaling a chocolate start up
  • Marketing cacao-free chocolate to chocolate lovers
  • If you want to find out more about WNWN, you can checkout their website or instagram. Follow @drjohnnydrain for more exciting news about his various ventures!

    Note: WNWN’s first alt-choc product Waim bars are already sold out, but you can sign up to their newsletter to stay in the know about the next time you can purchase them!

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