John Wood Jr. is a young Republican who once ran against Maxine Waters for Congress -and came closer to beating her than anyone else ever. He's now the Director of Media Development for Better Angels, and the man responsible for bringing MARA into their media family. Ciaran is a Democrat who serves as Better Angels' Director of Communications. I brought these two together to talk about what's going down with the Supreme Court, and the respect and humility both men showed in this conversation is exactly what Better Angels and MARA are all about. More at makeamericarelatepodcast.com.