Path To The Main Stage Podcast

S3 Ep. 04: Why Performance Matters For Every Speaker


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Learn how to bring humor and improv to any stage!


Unlock the secrets to engaging your audience, no matter your topic, and elevate your speaking game by blending performance skills and comedic elements.


Li Hayes sits down with improv and comedy veteran Pat Dwyer, who shares practical strategies for turning even the most serious subject matter into an interactive, memorable experience. Discover how to test different types of humor, craft shows that capture attention, and connect with any crowd—even the toughest ones.


Whether you’re new or experienced, you’ll walk away with tips to make every speaking engagement a standout performance.

Key highlights include:

  • The difference between performance and content—and why your story alone isn't enough (Li Hayes

    shares a horror story of a boring PhD speaker!).

  • How to inject humor and improv into any talk, even if your topic is deadly serious.

  • Practical strategies for “reading the room,” adapting your style, and using subtle comedy types to unlock engagement.

  • The secret “we conversation” and breaking the fourth wall to transform audiences from disconnected listeners into raving fans.

  • Behind-the-scenes improv techniques and the “rule of threes” that can turn a group of skeptical pipe-layers (or any tough crowd) into lifelong fans.

  • Pat Dwyer

    ’s actionable advice for finding memorable moments in every show—ones that stick with your audience long after the lights fade.

  • Plus: How NOT to use a timer, why you must “play to the smartest person in the room,” and what to do when your opener bombs.

Tune in for real-world stories, humor, and expert insights that will help you create truly unforgettable presentations—no matter the topic, no matter the crowd.

Episode Overview

  • [00:00:00] Intro & why performance matters as much as content
  • [00:02:31] Pat Dwyer's journey from Peace Corps to professional speaking
  • [00:05:01] Improv basics, Second City, and the difference between types of comedy
  • [00:09:55] Topics Pat Dwyer speaks on and how he adds humor to serious subjects
  • [00:11:22] Creating a "we conversation" with your audience
  • [00:12:19] Testing types of humor live on stage
  • [00:14:27] Adapting in real time (and what happens when you don’t)
  • [00:20:12] The rule of threes—pattern disruption and why it makes people laugh
  • [00:24:24] Breaking the fourth wall (Magnum PI style!)
  • [00:26:12] Why every speaking event is live theater—embracing unpredictability
  • [00:27:08] The Backstreet Boys story and unforgettable audience moments
  • [00:29:39] Keeping your audience engaged—how to “see” everyone
  • [00:32:04] Comedy vs. improv—and how to use both
  • [00:35:01] Building your talk like dominoes and taking the audience on a road trip
  • [00:39:01] Closing strong—how to end your events and play to your smartest audience member
  • [00:42:47] Advice to new speakers: It’s YOUR party!
  • [00:43:44] Wrap-up and key takeaways


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Path To The Main Stage PodcastBy LI Hayes