First there was DevOps, then SecOps, then DevSecOps. Or should that be SecDevOps? Paul Ducklin talks to Sophos X-Ops insider Matt Holdcroft about how to get all your corporate "Ops" teams working together, with cybersecurity correctness as a guiding light.

With Paul Ducklin and Matt Holdcroft.

Original music by Edith Mudge (https://www.edithmudge.com)

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