In this episode, Phil and Susie catch up and discuss the US election results and what went wrong for Democrats, how religious beliefs are correlated with being susceptible to disinformation, Project 2025, how we both felt upon learning the results, and how we move forward over the next 4 years.  

The main part of the episode is Susie's conversation with our favorite expert on everything, Lars and his family.  She got the chance to sit down with them at her home over the summer on their way back from picking up their kids from camp, and they have a very interesting conversation, with a special focus on how their family is adjusting to the recent revelation that their son, Alex was trans.  They talk a bit about how their still Xtian parents have responded to that revelation and how they responded to Lars and Christie's deconversion, along with some other family member's responses.  It's a fascinating and engaging conversation with Lars, Christie, and Alex along with special appearance from Susie's daughter, Audrey, who talks about her perceptions about what she thinks about trans questions and her views on therapy.  The conversation concludes with a conversation with a few of the kids about their lives in a non-religious family, and it's truly refreshing!  It's a wide ranging conversation that covers a wide variety of subjects.  We hope you enjoy.  Thanks to Lars and Christie for sharing with us and to Alex and Audrey for contributing and a big shout out to Susie for her solo hosting debut! She is fantastic!! 

Notes and Resources

Graphic Referenced in the intro about disinformation:  https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/2024-election-surveys-show-trump-voters-misinformed-on-major-issues-by-j-bradford-delong-2024-11? 

Project 2025: The official site https://www.project2025.org/ 

An Analytical Overview from Fact Check:  https://www.factcheck.org/2024/09/a-guide-to-project-2025/ 

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