In this Episode, Phil talks with Jen about her first marathon over the weekend. She flew in late the night before and they sat down first thing in the morning to discuss what a profound impact the entire experience had on her. They talk about the training and race experience and all of the parallels and learnings for daily life. They talk about working through panic, trusting the process, surrender, the power of words and journeying with others, how expectations can rob us of our joy, how resting can feel counterintuitive when you are pushing towards a goal and how far we have all come in the last few years. So- listen in and be inspired to focus on your next step, whatever that may be.