In this episode of Work Is Weird Now Podcast, Alice and Dan sit down with Paul Vezelis, CEO of Traxlo, to explore how pay is evolving as work becomes more fragmented, flexible and outcome-driven.

Paul challenges one of the most embedded assumptions in modern employment: that time is the right unit of value. Instead of paying for hours, Traxlo breaks retail work into measurable tasks and pays people when outcomes are delivered. Clear expectations. Transparent outputs. No fixed shifts.

But this conversation goes deeper than gig economy headlines. We explore why task-based work appeals to women seeking flexible, local income, how people are stacking multiple income streams to create resilience, and whether diversification is becoming the new form of security.

If pay shifts from hours to outcomes, what happens to loyalty, identity and belonging at work?

Work is weird now. And how we pay people may be one of the biggest shifts of all.