Meet a new smartphone that can’t install apps, doesn’t have Facebook, and that’s why people want it. Does it make life better?

Adam interviews Chris Kaspar, founder of Techless and maker of the Wisephone, aiming to change how people relate to their most personal device. They talk about digital addiction, parenting, smartphone self-control, and more.

Then, in the post-interview discussion, Chris and Adam discuss whether they would get a Wisephone. They even get around to suggesting some ways the Techless might make the Wisephone better.

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