"If you can find your way outside of the cog of creating theatre, or whatever it is that is the one thing that's all yours; that freedom... ooh, that's a powerful thing and I'm grateful for it."  -- Ben Franklin

"I don't pass as straight, I never did... I've lost out on work... I went into what made sense to me.  I always express my queer identity [on stage]; I think all my acts have very much a queer sensibility, either by the music choice or te costuming or what I'm showing on stage... the movement... I don't think i set out to do it... [It just] naturally evolved with the way I want to share my art with the audience." -- Joshua Dean

Happy Pride! We're closing out June with a threesome: Viktor gets to chat with the delightful duo 2 To Fly, Joshua Dean (aka Jojo the Clown) and Ben Franklin-- circus boylesque extravagants who work solo, together and as part of Boys Night (which features regularly Mr Gorgeous, Jason Mejias, and Phil VonAwesome).  Ben and Josh also happen to be in fantastical love with teach other, having started in musical theatre together and now can be seen spinning around from the ceiling in jockstraps; or cracking whips and hula-hooping as Jack Skellington. We get in deep with the Cats movie (no really), circuslesque in one's 40s, queer identity on stage, international culture divides, and dichotomy of all-adult sexy shows and all-ages family-friendly shows.  (this conversation was recorded June 18, 2023)

• Instagram: @iambenfranklin @aerialjosh @2toflyburlesque @boysnightrevue
• more 2 to Fly: https://linktr.ee/2tofly and 2toflyburlesque.com

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