On this interview Katie chats with her husband Chris who decided to take the plunge and switch back to a flip phone. We talk about how it's going, what he loves about it, and the genuine inconveniences he has to put up with (and why it's still worth it). We have a far reaching conversation on smartphones, memory, technology generally, the role of physicality, time, friendship, community, and independent thought. 

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