What does real security maturity actually look like—beyond checklists and audits?

In this episode of The Virtual CISO Moment, Greg Schaffer sits down with Mariia Erokhina, a global security leader who challenges the industry’s obsession with controls and compliance theater. Mariia shares why security must be embedded into business operations, how executives misunderstand risk ownership, and what aspiring CISOs must learn to operate at the strategic level.

If you’ve ever questioned whether “audit-ready” really means “secure,” this conversation is for you.