Brian McLaren is back on the show! Brian is an author, speaker, activist, and public theologian. A former college English teacher and pastor, he is a passionate advocate for “a new kind of Christianity” – just, generous, and working with people of all faiths for the common good. He is a faculty member with the Center for Action and Contemplation. and a podcaster with the CAC’s podcast Learning How to See. He is a co-host of Southern Lights and supports a new progressive ecumenical campus ministry network called ZOE. He has written more than 20 books, including his newest, The Last Voyage (2025), which is what we mostly talk about. This is the fifth time I get to talk to Brian and it’s always such a pleasure. His next non-fiction project, The Beautiful Logic of a Meaningful Life, is in process now, for release in 2027.

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