What is the difference between transformative and experience design? Our guest, Paul Bulencea, compares it (after professor Martin Seligman) to the cosmetic versus curative treatment. Together we explore the transformative journey as a way to re-wild yourself, to reconnect with your true nature and your path. Using the example of the College of Extraordinary Experiences, Paul is a co-founder of, we define the difference between the safe and the brave space and chat about the importance of being brave on your way to personal discovery.