This week we share the second of three intimate conversations with people close to Sarah. In this episode Sarah speaks with Sabine, her mother’s best friend growing up in rural Romania, and a longtime family friend. They discuss the reality of being a US immigrant and the mental health challenges some immigrants face.

Trigger Warning: This episode references suicide. Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. If you or someone you know is having thoughts of suicide, please seek help by dialing 988 to reach the Suicide & Crisis Lifeline.

Grief Gratitude & Greatness is hosted by Sarah Shaoul and is a production of Recursive Delete Audio/Visual in Portland, Oregon.

This episode was produced & edited by Jack Saturn, with additional production by Sarah. The music was by Samantha Jensen.

Grief Gratitude & Greatness is the recipient of a 2020 grant from the Regional Arts & Culture Council.

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