On this week’s Sacred & Small podcast, author and speaker Karl Vaters joins the Jasons to share his small church story. Karl is the author of 5 books, including The Grasshopper Myth, and Small Church Essentials. His most recent book, Desizing the Church, addresses the rise of the church growth movement, how it changed the evangelical church’s ecclesiology, and how what comes next.

Karl has over four decades of experience ministering in small churches and to small church pastors. In this episode, the first of two with Karl, he shares his call to ministry and his approach to pastoring during the rise of the church growth movement.

If you would like to learn more about Karl’s ministry, check out his site - karlvaters.com.

Or read his books: The Grasshopper Myth, Small Church Essentials, 100 Days to a Healthier Church, Desizing the Church, and The Church Recovery Guide.

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