My guest today is Sall Grover an Australian businesswoman and one of the parties in litigation originally entitled "Tickle v Giggle" which turns on the question of what the legal definition of a women is under Australian law.

After a brief detour in to Confucian philosophy, we discuss:

• The status of her litigation, and why the definition of women is so important?
• Whether she has received much support from women within the Australian political parties, women in the corporate world, or organizations set up to support women
• What the best arguments are for persuading about the importance of this issue
• What the outcome of the litigation will mean and how she is doing emotionally.

And much more.

To donate to her litigation: https://gigglecrowdfund.com/

Sall Grover: https://x.com/salltweets