Sam Keyes, a poet and columnist, tells his interesting backstory of working in bio-engineering and law while simultaneously exploring the transcendent and imaginative in his art. He and Katy chat about a wide range of topics, from having an "instinctive emotional response to words" to how propositional Bible study can train people to see truth in a particular, exclusionary fashion. He also discusses how Wendell Berry inspired him to explore different art forms.