This week we're talking to Ben Wizner from the American Civil Liberties Union about what the ACLU have been doing in the first year of Trump's second term, what the difference is between this time and last time, and how an earth they can keep up.

Links

• ACLU report: https://www.aclu.org/campaigns-initiatives/aclu-vs-trump
• Kyllo case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyllo_v._United_States
• Underground Empire book: https://henryfarrell.net/underground-empire-2/
• Swift work between PI and ACLU: https://privacyinternational.org/blog/1355/pi-and-aclu-show-swift-auditor-has-extensive-ties-us-government
• Yale lectures on National Security law: https://epe.yale.edu/videos/above-law-or-beneath-it-how-national-security-law-subverts-accountability-and-weakens-0
• Asylum for White South Africans: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/30/us/politics/trump-refugee-admissions-white-south-africans.html
• FISA reauth: https://theintercept.com/2026/01/29/nsa-702-fisa-surveillance/