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Sandra Loughlin — Inside a True, Skills-Based Organization


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Sandra is the chief learning scientist at Epam Systems, a global provider of software engineering, digital platform engineering, and product development services.

Interestingly, EPAM has been on a skills-based journey for over 30 years and is as close an example as you’ll find of a skills-based organization.

Sandra has been a proud advocate of Epam’s journey and helped build the critical foundations with ups and downs!


Key topics in this episode:

  • Should every organization become skills-based?

  • Matching skills supply & demand data

  • The EPAM way and how they stand out in the market

  • The importance of skills data for the business

  • Skepticism about skills-based initiatives


  • Explore how Sandra’s expertise can inspire your journey toward a skills-based organization.


    My key takeaway quotes:

    • “Skills are owned by the business (...). It’s impossible for a people organization to know what skills are trending, what skills are critical, and start predicting skills needed."

      • "Have someone come in and look at your ecosystem - chances are you have redundancies & gaps."

      • “How long will it take to be a skills-based organization? It is a long-term play because it’s a data play.”


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