Sanjay Rawal was our first guest on Off The Couch, and we are pleased to have him back on for our first episode of 2020. We invited him back to ask about his rather spectacular performance — and even more spectacular meltdown — near the end of the California International Marathon this past year. But in addition to getting a fantastic first hand account of that race, we touch on a number of important topics that go way beyond some race report.

Sanjay talks about the concepts of running dumb; training slow; finding joy through exertion; and whether it is possible to run a great time by not caring about running a great time. We also talk about the urban roots of ultrarunning, Sanjay’s latest film project, the future of podcasts, and more. I assure you, there is an abundance of food for thought packed into this episode.

TOPICS & TIMES:

• The future of podcasts? (2:00)
• Lessons from 3100: Run & Become (9:20)
• The urban roots of ultrarunning (14:06)
• Beyond Bonking: Sanjay’s experience at CIM (17:05)
• Running Dumb (32:29)
• Boston Marathon this April? (37:32)
• Training Slow (38:45)
• Sanjay’s take on personal resolutions (50:55)
• Inspiration vs. Aspiration (54:45)
• Finding Joy through Exertion (57:10)
• Sanjay’s next film: Patti Dillon (59:40)

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