Sara and Jack Gorman, Deniers Denying Deniers |515|

Dr. Sara Gorman and Dr. Jack Gorman offer strong opinions about science as they know it.

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Sky News Australia, Promo: [00:00:00] There’s no doubt speaking up takes Heriot. But we want to be your voice when you really need one. And we back the Australians who are doing it tough. We’re bold, we’re incredible. We’re Australia’s most fearless straight talkers. There’s a rawness and an authenticity to Sky that I think the struggle to find anywhere else.

Alex Tsakiris: [00:00:21] That is a promo piece for Sky News Australia, which no matter what you think about Rupert Murdoch’s Sky News, you got to acknowledge that Sky News, Australia’s mainstream. And the reason I bring it up on this show is because they were in the news recently, because they had their videos banned from YouTube because they dared to challenge the idea that masks are effective for COVID-19, which I could go on and on about and I’m kind of tempted to, it’s this interview I have coming up with Sarah and Jack Gorman. They have a new book called Denying to the Grave: Why We Ignore the Facts That Will Save Us. And so right off the bat, this is like so classic Skeptiko this is like 10 years ago, Skeptico, because these people are super smart, qualified. Sarah, undergraduate degree, Harvard, PhD, Columbia. Jack has an even more impressive background, MD Columbia, psychiatry, multiple fellowships, taught at the med school there. I mean, these are very, very intelligent people. And their book is atrocious. When it comes to the science that we’ve talked about for so many years on this show. It completely fails from Jump Street; it fails from the fundamental science is a method it’s not a position statement. So again, I could go on and on. And I can’t do a lot of this with this interview slash debate that I know makes a lot of people uncomfortable. And for those of you who it doesn’t make uncomfortable, let me tell you are in the minority. When I do interviews like this, most people really do not like this kind of dialogue. But I got to say, “Where else are you going to hear this kind of stuff? Where else is this silliness going to be exposed?” So speaking of silliness, here’s where I start, which seems obvious to me to anyone who cares about science. And that is, should we limit scientific debate? Should we feel okay, that scientific debate is being banned, being censored? Here’s a clip. Very disturbing to me when people talk about information being dangerous, and opinions being dangerous, why we would ever want to limit a scientific discussion? Because we don’t agree with somebody, I find that very troubling.

Sarah: [00:02:38] I do think that anybody who spreads information about a medical technology that people need in order to survive. That’s not true. And usually it’s intentionally not true. I don’t think that they should be allowed to have any platform they want.

Alex Tsakiris: [00:02:55] Sarah, who would determine what’s not true? Isn’t that the job of science?

Sarah: [00:03:00] Yeah, well, science has already determined certain things about vaccines that they’re safe and effective, certain vaccines that they’re safe and effective.

Alex Tsakiris: [00:03:07] Does science really determine anything. I think in your book; you say there’s nothing [that] is 100% true. Science isn’t about proof, right? It’s about evidence,