Kate welcomes Jor­dan Hofer the author of Evo­lu­tion­ary Ufol­ogy, pub­lished by Schif­fer Books, and the Saucerville tril­ogy, pub­lished by Inkwa­ter Press. Jor­dan became a Research Spe­cial­ist in Anthro­pol­ogy with the Mutual UFO Net­work (MUFON) and pre­sented, for the first time, the con­cept of evo­lu­tion­ary ufol­ogy.