In our first episode, Jonah talks with Dana R. Fisher, Director of the Center for Environment, Community, and Equity at American University.

Dana shares insights from her book Saving Ourselves and her journey from environmental policy work to becoming a leading voice in environmental sociology. She emphasizes the power of individual and collective action in pushing against entrenched power structures and advocates for a massive systemic transformation to address the root causes of climate change.

Their conversation explores the concept of 'apocalyptic optimism' and the idea that significant environmental disasters might be necessary to catalyze global societal shifts towards serious climate action. They also talk about personal stories of climate impact and the potential for societal change through what is termed 'Anthro-Shift'.