On this episode of the Nat & Mat Podcast, we take a deep dive into one of the most intriguing stories in modern UFO lore — the wild, controversial, endlessly-debated world of Bob Lazar. From claims of reverse-engineered alien craft to moral dilemmas, strange surveillance, shadowy agencies, and the cost of speaking out, we unpack what makes his story so enduring… and so unsettling.
Between talk of UAPs and suppressed technology, we also head back into the studio to work on our new track “Scatter Gun.” As always, the conversation wanders through creativity, curiosity, ethics, and the strange mystery of being human in a universe that’s probably more crowded than we think.
If you love music, mayhem, and mysteries of the universe — this one’s for you.

🎵 Listen to Iris Belhaze on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=5AhmFyfBSbKXtI1meT4n9Q
🎵 Listen to Mat Creedon on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=f9Q4MjPmRFutjBBXfM6jXw

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
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