we both had shows to go to on our usual recording day so we recorded this episode a day in advance and thankfully nothing stupid happened but we did get to talk the callous daoboys and their 47% merch cut, diet turnstile/valley girl, flip flopping opinions of bands before and after you know who's in a band, handstands in the pit, metal is for nerds, a venue banning crowd killing and people posting "I miss outbreak fest when it was a hardcore fest".