Join us as we speak with the prolific and productive Desi Quintans from Western Sydney's Hawkesbury Institute for the Environment. Desi tells us why his plant-insect system is such a handy one for doing research, why everyone should learn to code and what the difference is between a pastry chef and a scientist.

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