Have you ever considered that what you perceive as your greatest weakness might actually contain the seed of your greatest strength? In this soul-stirring conversation with Shawna, we unpack the powerful duality between her natural calm demeanor and what she calls her "wrath" – those moments of fierce emotion that occasionally break through her composed exterior.

Drawing from our nearly 20-year friendship, we dive deep into a memorable full moon party where Shawna's hilariously honest interaction with her inner child (telling it "why are you such an idiot?" instead of nurturing it) reveals her refreshingly authentic approach to life. This authenticity becomes the thread that connects every aspect of our conversation – from motherhood to sobriety, from setting boundaries to embracing imperfection.

Shawna shares how watching her 12-year-old son observe adults' drinking behaviors became her wake-up call. "I don't want him having this impression of you," she explains when discussing the challenging boundaries she's had to set with family members. The vulnerability in her voice when recounting how friends told her "you're more fun when you drink" opens a profound conversation about whether people unconsciously want to keep others in lower states to feel better about themselves.

We explore the mythology of wrath, learning how this emotion – when properly channeled – transforms from destructive rage into protective energy and clarity. Shawna’s story offers a masterclass in emotional alchemy: taking raw feelings and turning them into purposeful action rather than letting them fester or explode.

Perhaps most touching is her journey toward body acceptance, sparked by her partner's simple question: "What if that's just the way your body is meant to look?" At 36, she describes finding freedom from insecurity, developing personal hobbies beyond her children's activities, and finally caring less about others' opinions – a liberation many of us spend decades seeking.

Ready to transform your relationship with difficult emotions? Join us for this intimate, honest conversation that might just change how you view your own inner fire.

0:00 Meeting Shawna and Music Memories

2:36 Full Moon Parties and Inner Child

7:53 Staying Calm vs. Moments of Wrath

17:11 Setting Boundaries with Family

22:49 The Journey to Sobriety

35:19 Finding New Hobbies and Self-Care

46:14 Body Image and Self-Acceptance

51:34 Hopes for Future Generations