In this episode of This is Harbor Network, Casey Smith and Ronnie Martin dig in with Scott Sauls, senior pastor of Christ Presbyterian Church in Nashville, Tennessee. They talk about church planting and leading a congregation, the selfish ambition and insecurities that can creep in while doing so, and how to not wreck your life and ministry by becoming your own worst enemy. It's a fun conversation that ranges from Ted Lasso to Tim Keller to the mystery that is friendships within a church as a pastor. Oh, and we cover our love for BBQ. Don't miss it.