Neil & Geoff are back! … the boys chat to Aussie 24hr track record holder Kay Bretz … they learn how ‘running like a wise woman’ saw him claw back 91 positions & place 11th at an international 24 hr race, how a 4 hr+ mara debut was followed 12 years later with a sub 3 mara & the 2019 Aussie ultra running performance of the year.  Kay drops several pearls of wisdom covering his turning right theory, walking for training, daily meditation, hills & sand running.