De Nichols and Karen (Jia Lian) Yang studied Social Work together at the Brown School of Social Work of Washington University in St. Louis. Since then, De did the "big chop" and has embraced her hair as her crown. Treasure and De have roots in Memphis, so join us for a kitchen table chat about appearance and "professionalism," the Memphis hair scene and black power movement, and the importance of being unapologetically yourself.

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