Layers of customization for essential needs. Transition from experiences to environments. IKEA as the most important company for the next decade. UN dreamt up by Balenciaga. Ridicule. Opinions. Barely functioning mics. Our two hosts return for Episode 4, where they debate whether we need architecture, if human rights are better served as slogans on t-shirts and whether our environments define who we are far more than the products that we are surrounded by. We almost made it within 20 minutes this time, Christina!