To get back on track, progressives must resist the urge to put all Trump supporters into one homogeneous group.

This week, we talk with Joel Payne, a Vice President at Qorvis MSL Group, a strategic communications firm. Joel served as the Director of African American Paid Media for Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign. We talk about lessons from the campaign, the demographic shift in the US, and how we can harness the current enthusiasm of progressives to make a difference in the world.

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