Jim and Zack interview Zack's wife, Jackie about packing for trips. With two small kids at home, she shares the difficult process of packing for trips, long or short, with kids. She lets the listeners know how she often has to repack for her husband as he lacks the necessary packing skills. In addition to road trip stories, the conversation leads to that of readying the family pet snails for a few days on their own. Not only packing, the discussion eventually gets to unpacking once at the destination. Let's get packing!