On today's episode I interview my good friend John Gallagher. John has an extensive background in media both in the ministry and marketplace contexts. On today's episode we discuss how relationships and expectations from leadership in a church can turn unhealthy when we seek their approval over God's approval. This naturally lead to a discussion on the importance of a strong devotion life for a Christian. Unhealthy dynamics in our relationships with leaders is one of the hallmarks of an abusive church culture. As always, don't forget to subscribe!