Our today's guest is John Franklin - Head of Safety Promotion at EASA. We talked about what actually is the definition of safety, how a mature safety organisation perceives and manages it, how will safety evolve along with introducing more and more technologies into ATM, what is the philosophy of safety, what is the "Summer 2023" safety campaign all about and who is it designed for, and of course, what will the next 5 and 50 years bring in terms of changes in safety.