This conversation with James and Amy was going so well, I just couldn't rush it or cut it short, so I've broken it up into two parts. They are both pastors of a church plant in the Cashmere area of Christchurch called The River Ōpāwaho. After years of church ministry, they felt a strong calling to "do church" in a different way to what they had been doing. The share some of that story and vision with me (and with you!). Join me for part 1 and part 2 will follow.