<p class="">co-hosts <a href="https://www.ellencherry.com">ellen cherry</a> and <a href="https://www.junestar.com">Andrew Grimm</a> discuss how ridiculous the word "normal" is and how it's completely normal to be experiencing an insidious "psychological reflux."</p>

co-hosts ellen cherry and Andrew Grimm discuss how ridiculous the word "normal" is and how it's completely normal to be experiencing an insidious "psychological reflux."

<p>co-hosts <a href="https://www.ellencherry.com" rel="noopener noreferrer">ellen cherry</a> and <a href="https://www.junestar.com" rel="noopener noreferrer">Andrew Grimm</a> discuss how ridiculous the word "normal" is and how it's completely normal to be experiencing an insidious "psychological reflux."</p>

Season 4 Episode 11: The New Normal

Two musicians ponder fame and why they don't have it.

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Season 4 Episode 11: The New Normal

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