Ben is the Dean of the Christchurch Cathedral, which I thought made for the perfect person to talk to for this episode. He brings a lot of depth AND humor to the conversation. I had a great time talking with him, even about some rather uncomfortable and divisive topics regarding the Anglican Church, particularly here in Aotearoa New Zealand, and even more so, here in Ōtautahi Christchurch.

Find out more about Ben and/or the Christchurch/Cardboard/Transitional Cathedral at - https://www.cardboardcathedral.org.nz/

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