Ben speaks at length to Ilona Barnett who is very honest about some tricky topics. A few laughs along the way, even without Sam and Elliot!

Ilona Barnett is Managing Director / Chief Executive of Stratford-on-Avon Racecourse. She also chairs the Point-to-Point Secretaries' Association (PPSA) and sits on the boards of the Point-to-Point Authority (PPA), the Point-to-Point Racing Company (PTPRC) and the Racecourse Association (RCA) .

In other words, Ilona is one of the most institutionally connected figures across both National Hunt racing and the point-to-point world will miss her.

Enjoy!