Emily and Michelle welcome entrepreneur, author, and former wine shop owner Jeff Bender to the podcast. Jeff had been in hospitality and wine for several years before he switched careers creating gender neutral clothing for children as a response to his daughter's needs.

Jeff speaks openly about navigating society and how to protect his trans child in today's hyper-charged political environment.

They have a spirited discussion about the state of politics in the state of Missouri under its super-majority Republican rule for over 20 years.

Jeff talks about how his clothing line, the Lion and the Owl, was started. He wanted to be able to buy leggings for his trans child and it has blossomed from there. He wrote two books "Apparel has no Gender" and "Oh I Just Didn't Know. (11 thoughtful conversations for grandparents and grandchildren)."

They talk about how the fashion industry is shifting in sizing, clothing styles, and more to reflect gender fluidity in society. Jeff talks about their efforts in a new fashion category called "All Kids Plus".

Jeff closes out the discussion with this gem - "Shop for their personality and not their gender."

You can get connected with Jeff, his mission, and order his great books here - https://thelionandtheowl.com/

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