Hope is an anchor. Hope is a risk. What can we learn from Taylor Swift's breakups? This week we talk to Rev. Dr. Grace Ji-Sun Kim about her new book Hope in Disarray: Piecing Our Lives Together in Faith. Also, Jon has controversial opinions about New Girl. Will Sara and Garrett kick him off the podcast?

Find Rev. Dr. Grace Ji-Sun Kim here:

https://gracejisunkim.wordpress.com/about/

Buy the Book:

https://www.thepilgrimpress.com/products/hope-in-disarray-piecing-our-lives-together-in-faith-kim