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Second Act: What To Do When You’re Called Up Front!


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We trace Catina Parrish Clark’s journey from insurance to education to chaplaincy and pastoring, exploring how obedience, formation, and care shape a faithful second act. We share honest lessons on leaving the familiar, guarding your soul, and leading from presence with people.

• salary cap and tuition as guidance signals
• discovering a teaching gift and learning God’s voice
• saying yes when comfort says stay
• moving churches to grow spiritually
• divinity school refining language of faith
• chaplaincy as the heart of pastoral care
• staying with people to fuel the pulpit
• self‑care rhythms that prevent burnout
• accepting elevation before feeling ready
• practical courage for a second act

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