Second Order Effect

By Jason and John

Second Order Effects is hosted by Jason Shum, the CEO and founder of Closer, and John Wu, a multi-time startup Chief of Staff at Patreon and Sift, and former early stage venture investor at FirstMa

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Second Order Effect episodes:

May 14, 2025Episode 1: How computer-use agents will takeover everything we do (with Ang Li, CEO of Simular, ex-Deepmind)
Episode 1: How computer-use agents will takeover everything we do (with Ang Li, CEO of Simular, ex-Deepmind)
Second Order Effects is a podcast where we explore the rapid changes in AI tools, and how experts are integrating them into their workflows.
Our episode 1 guest, Ang Li, is the co-founder and CEO of Simular, an autonomous computer startup. Join us as we discuss how his time at Google Deepmind inspired his work into AGI and Simular. During our conversation, Ang shares very insightful comments about the differences between agents and assistants, and his long-term predictions about adoption and AGI.
Some references:
Try out Simular today by downloading on their Page
OS World Benchmark
Link to Ang’s X, where he often comments about latest developments in AI
Link to Youtube video of Simular demo
Some of our links:
Youtube
Apple Podcast home
Spotify Podcast Home
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44min
May 01, 2025Episode 0: Intros and our Vision for the Pod
Quick intro of both John and Jason
Respective motivations for doing this podcast, and our goals for doing this podcast
Thank you to all!
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4min

FAQs about Second Order Effect:

How many episodes does Second Order Effect have?

The podcast currently has 2 episodes available.