In this installment of the Pound for Pound Leadership Podcast, Mike Kai has an authoritative conversation with John Bevere, prolific international bestselling author and co-founder of Messenger International. Discussion items include:

• The impetus behind "The Awe of God" and life's fundamental principles.

• Understanding and delighting in God's treasure.

• Developing a heart for healthy pastors and healthy churches.

• Churches dealing with different social dilemmas.

• John's sense of events and revival in 2024.

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