Discover the revolutionary approach to product development in this exclusive podcast with Jason Fried, co-founder of 37signals. In this episode, Jason reveals why 37signals ditched traditional roadmaps in favor of the “Shape Up” methodology—a strategy that empowers small teams to build profitable, lovable products without chasing enterprise giants.Learn how building products you love, prioritizing design-led development, and imposing smart constraints can transform the way you work. Whether you’re a startup founder, product manager, or software developer, these actionable insights will help you create products that truly resonate while maintaining a healthy work-life balance.Key Topics Covered:• The no-roadmap philosophy and its benefits• Building for yourself: why passion drives innovation• The Shape Up methodology explained• How small, focused teams outperform big, bloated ones• Pricing strategies and avoiding enterprise pitfalls• Balancing remote collaboration with high-intensity in-person workDon’t forget to like, subscribe, and click the bell icon for more expert tips on agile product development and building a culture where “work isn’t war.”00:00 – Intro: Why Jason Fried matters01:45 – Building Basecamp without investors05:30 – “We didn’t want to grow big, we wanted to grow right”08:20 – Remote work before it was cool12:10 – Why most startups are burning investor cash15:50 – Meetings are toxic: Jason’s philosophy on productivity20:40 – Why they ditched live chat for async25:15 – The real cost of interruptions28:00 – “We don’t chase trends — we question them”31:00 – Thoughts on AI, hype cycles, and real value36:10 – Advice for founders who want to build calm companies39:00 – The future of 37signals and what’s next42:00 – Final thoughts: What Jason regrets (or doesn’t)