In this episode, Liselot Casteleyn takes us into the long, uncertain stretch before the big interview, where Zaen and Kabuye navigate life in reception centres and the emotional weight of waiting. They share how they prepared for their big interview to talk about something as deeply personal as their SOGI story. Along the way, they tell us about the people who supported them: professionals, peers from the reception centers, and allies who helped them find the words and the strength to face the interview ahead.

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