On episode 13, John and Payton catch each other up with the craziness of seminary and college ministry. In the wake of Jarrid Wilson’s passing, the guys share their thoughts on a theology of suicidal loss, suicide generally, hope, and the resurrection, and they end the episode with some current reads!

The Loss of Jarrid Wilson

World Vision Flips the Script

Reading Recommendations:
- Accidental Pastor by Will Willimon
- Out of the Silent Planet by CS Lewis
- Bible Project interview of Tom Wright