In this episode guest Julie Livingston discusses the direction that her academic scholarship has taken over the years and her consideration of the past, present and future. Drawing on her latest book, Self Devouring Growth: A Planetary Parable as Told from Southern Africa, we discuss relationships between people, animals and the earth. We explore the implications that technological growth in pursuit of economic growth has for metaphysical understandings of the world and its future. The transcript for the episode is available at hsia.podcasts.library.columbia.edu