"You're scheming on a thing that's a mirage, I'm trying to tell you now its sabotage." -Beastie Boys

Big hair, big heart, big mouth. Babs Gray (Lady to Lady Podcast, Framing Britney Spears) lends all of these elements and more as we travel down the wonderful road of destructive habits. We also discuss the importance of collaboration, fear of failure vs fear of success, and how we've aged out of sleeping on random couches.

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